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6 Simple Tips To Cure The “Over The Top Golf Swing”

Do you swing “over the top? If you don’t know what it is, it is a move that is common among the majority of amateur golfers, and the result is usually a slice or a dead pull depending on your clubface position at impact.

Over The Top Golf SwingThe over the top golf swing is a premature movement of the upper body before the lower body in the downswing. The upper body actually gets ahead of the lower body causing an “outside to in” golf swing. This path is the least desirable in golf.

Take a look at the picture and you get a real clear idea of what’s happening in a correct golf swing and an incorrect one. Look at the top (incorrect) one. The golfers has pulled his club wat too far inside on the take-away, and how to compensate by coming over the top in the downswing :sad: .

There are many causes of this swing fault, some of which are physical and can be easily corrrected, and some that are mechanical and with the right swing thoughts can be fixed.

1) Drop your arms. I used to swing over the top years ago, and I tried everything to correct it, including lessons with no success. Then I was watching one of my taped videos of Nick Price and saw how his arms seemed to drop in place in the downswing.

I ran to the range and tried it. My first move from the top of my swing was a dropping of my arms, the rotating. It worked! I couldn’t believe it! I just cured that dreaded swing fault with one swing thought. Give it a try!

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2) Rotate down. Here’s another swing thought I’ve used if this swing fault creeps into my swing during a round. I think of rotating down toe the ball. Not out! Down. I maintain my spine angle, so I’m not literally dropping down, but I focus on rotating through that golf ball.

3) Improve rotational flexibility. One very obvious physical limitation that could be causing you to get your upper body ahead of your lower body is a restricted backswing. If you cannot make a full backswing, you will stop short and your mind will tell you, you have to turn down with your arms.

Improve your flexibility from a rotational standpoint, and you can drive your legs all day long and stay back with your upper body creating power and leverage.

4) Strong core muscles. If you have weak core muscles, you cannot maintain the adequate separation needed in your downswing. Where the upperbody stays behind for a split second, as the lower body starts to rotate. Your weak core will send a message to your brain that it cannot keep that separation, and the brain will send a message back to the body to bail out, and come over the top with your upper body. Makes sense?

5) Left shoulder down and out. Another very effective tip is if you’re right-handed, the first move down is my lead shoulder going down, then rotating. I use this one a lot. Ernie Els does this. The key is to watch how close your chin is to your left shoulder at the top of the swing, then starting down get that left shoulder away from you chin right now! That is the same as getting your left shoulder to do down and away during the initial part of your downswing.

6) Left arm close. Here’s a great tip. Notice how close your left arm (if you’re a right-handed golfer) is to your body throughout your swing? If you come over the top it goes away from your body. Try to get a feeling of your left arm staying fairly close to your body on your downswing. Don’t jam it in there, but have a sense it is in close on the downswing.

It is virtually impossible to come over the top with your left arm staying close to your body. Just try it and you’ll see what I mean. I have used and do many of these tips regularly to help me stay clear of the “over the top golf swing!” Give them a try, or if you have other tips, let us know by commenting to this post :smile:

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45 comments, sweet!

Comment by John D
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October 17th, 2007 at 3:45 pm

Mike i”ll have to respectfully disagree on dropping your arms to start the downing swing, it is a lateral move of the hips that starts the downswing.

 
Comment by Mike
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October 17th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

This could be a very fun conversation if people chime in :lol: . If I did a lateral slide in my swing (I use to), I would hit a shank every time. I think every player needs a different tip or thought. A lateral slide for me would not be it. Thank you for your input!

Comment by John D
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:47 am

Mike, I watched your swing on the workout DVD in slo-motion and noticed you do start your downswing with a very slight hip slide. I’m sure you toned down the amount of slide. I think better players like your self all start with a lateral move of the hips but they do it without thinking. It is something you probably don’t think about, it just comes naturally

Comment by Mike
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October 20th, 2007 at 7:00 am

John,

It is something I have to watch very closely! My swing thought is as I mentioned before. Left shoulder down and drop the arms. That is all I think especially if my swing goes a little south on the course :cry: .

Thanks for participating in this new blog!

Mike

 
 
Comment by bill
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March 26th, 2010 at 9:18 am

4 years ago I watched a late night T.V. add and fell prey to the enticements of the Swing Jacket. It promised to cure me of my Over the Top Swing. I never ever got rid of as a matter of fact I think it got worst. This winter I began taking lessons at GolfTec and was able to see what an ugly Golf Swing I have. I would completely destroy a plane of glass if it were within 4 feet of me. The only time my club is on plane is at address. The older I have gotten the worst this problem has gotten. Apparently the wrong muscles are doing the work and they are getting stronger at doing it. I have been trying to keep the right elbow from flying works well for a practice swing but the first time I am over a ball there it goes again. Thanks I will try to incorporate these into the noggin.

 
 
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October 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

don’t know if it is arms or hips, but has been arms for me. almost a pulling sensation. Hey, remember seeing this glass pane and how your swing worked in a Ben Hogan book as a kid. It always helped me.

 
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October 17th, 2007 at 6:19 pm

Concur with watching video of pro swings…I recently video taped myself at the driving range, I was proud of my swing until I compared myself to the pros frame-by-frame (lots of slow-mo pro-swings on YouTube), highly recommended…all the deltas between your swing and theirs leap off the screen in slo-mo, especially over the top (I never considered myself an over the topper until seeing the video)…its pretty humbling, watch Sergio’s move through the transition/downswing, amazing. I’m thinking about positioning my web cam/monitor so I can make 100s of practice swings while being able to see my exact swing plane (from the rear, down the line). I completely straightened out my putting stroke mechanics by making a feedback system and then burning-in a good stroke with a ton of repetition, no ball needed (putting avg has gone down abt 3 putts per round, I expect more strokes to drop-off)…bet it works for full swing mechanics too. I’ll let you know how it goes. As far as dropping arms/shoulders/head to start down, “world #1″ didn’t use to drop his shoulders/head very much in the transition, but look at him now, he drops 6+ inches…I heard some analyst criticizing the move…but you are going to have a hard time convincing me that this is an amateur “swing flaw” that he and all those hi-$ coaches of his accidentally introduced into his swing over the last couple of years…I haven’t tried it yet, but next time on the range I’m going to try dropping my fwd shoulder at least a little to get my swing started, see what happens. Dropping arms then rotate? Watch the pros on YouTube and see what all of them do, Great topic…

Comment by Mike
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October 18th, 2007 at 5:16 am

JLW, it’s almost suicide to compare “slow-mo” of our swings to the grooved swings of touring pros. We’d be setting ourselves up for failure for sure :sad: . I like to watch the pros swing in slow motion to get a real specific idea of the swing, but would keep it at that, as we will never have the swings of these pros :shock: .

 
 
Comment by Mike Stramba Subscribed to comments via email
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October 17th, 2007 at 7:00 pm

O.T.T. is caused by one basic thing :

The golfer attempts to “hit” the ball, with the hands and arms leading the motion, instead of allowing the body to “propel” the hands and arms … and the club head, as should happen in the proper swing… a motion that is present in any other sport that involves a “throwing” motion, including sports like hockey, where the “slapshot”, is also generated from the lower body.

Every golfer, will probably identify a different sensation or part of their
body that they feel is responsible for starting the downswing. The reality,
is that in any good golf swing, the swing starts from the “ground up”, as with
any other throwing motion.

You can use whatever “swing key”, that you like, but my favorite these days,
and one I use to teach beginners, is to forget “golf swing” and just make a
motion like you were going to throw the club as far as possible. I got the
idea from Fred ShoeMakers “Extraordinary Golf”.

When you do that, your lower body muscles will automatically lead the motion and your O.T.T. will instantly vanish forever … maybe ;). The golfer still has
to resist that mighty “hit impulse” and trust the “throw the club” method.

It’s also essential to keep the upper body, arms, hands, wrists, all “soft” so that they can be propelled at the greatest speed through the ball. “Soft” wrists are a fundamental part of any good golfer’s swing, and is the opposite of what the high handicap hacker does …i.e. “death grip” + try to “hit” the ball = no “release” = low clubhead speed and usually a slice or a “blocked” shot.

Mike

Comment by Mike
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October 18th, 2007 at 5:13 am

Very good points Mike :wink: ! Every golfer connects differently to all these swing tips. It’s a trial and error til one of them works. Thanks for your participation in here. I hope more golfers come in and take part :smile: .

 
 
Comment by Dave Cushion
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October 17th, 2007 at 7:17 pm

Nice tips and suggestions from everyone.

Different people respond to different swing thoughts. That’s why it’s always good to try more than one and see which one works for you.

I like Mike Stramba’s suggestion. I have worked on my release by actually throwing clubs down the driving range to better feel the release (and resist the temptation to “hit”). This also reduces the likelihood of hitting over the top.

In fact, it usually takes several tosses to get myself to really let go. The tendency is to hang on too much. Try it some time.

Have you noticed… the pros make a “golf swing” where the ball just gets in the way whereas most golfers try to “hit the ball”. This is why pros have effortless power.

Hitting from the top just burns up a lot of swing energy too soon.

Dave

 
Comment by Budge Jones
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October 18th, 2007 at 8:31 am

I really like the “thought” of throwing the club that Mike Stramba gave. Alot of my o.t.t. is a result of lower spine damage I suffered while on active duty. I have limited flex in my lower back so I struggle with getting to the top in my backswing and then trying to get a forward movement going without sliding. I got some good tips from A.J. Bonner a short while back that really helped me along but my power, though increased, was still limited to what my arms and shoulders were providing. Using the swing thought of throwing the club really gave the club head a good whistle in the impact area so I’m looking forward to getting to the driving range and checking it out.

Semper Fi

 
Comment by Steve
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October 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

Its interesting to see there are so many different reasons for an over the top swing, I often find with my own swing there is a fine line from a nice draw to a pull, maybe I need to address some of these suggesions!!

 
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October 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pm

Im not sure if I have this type of swing as I can’t see myself swing. Any recommendations on figureing out what my swings looks like?

 
Comment by Rick Semple
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January 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am

Excellent post and comments here. I’m with Mike P. on this one. The #1 mechanical idea to help learn a good downswing motion is to allow the hands and arms to drop (keeping the right shoulder back). Where people often get messed up is in trying to MAKE THEM DROP– with effort. So the mental challenge is to completely release themselves of the “hitting effort” (which they’re used to) and simply allow the swing motion to happen. This is where the lightbulb can really illuminate… where you get that effortless feeling and the ball rockets off the clubhead.

All the other details (what moves first, holding the wrist angles, good release. and so on) can be addressed after this key function is ingrained.

 
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April 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

Hi, i have the OTT swing and this ends up in a slice EVERY TIME :sad: :!: :!:
i have been told to ‘tuck my hips in’ on the downswing. what precisely does that mean?
thanks alot for your help

Cam

 
Comment by frustrated
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June 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am

I started golfing in 2003 and have spent a lot of money on lessons with video. My swing looks exactly like the guy on the top of the page.

On August 25, 2008 I was on the range working on my golf lesson and thinking to myself that I would never figure out the golf swing when BAM my 6′ 3″ frame it my drive about 80 yards farther than I had ever hit it. I did it about 50 more times and marveled at the swing it was totally different. I then drove home and picked up my wife and brought her to the range to show it to her. I hit about 20 more. I remember four distint things. 1) It felt like
I was pulling down on a rope. 2) My arms felt like they were along for the ride. 3) My hands totally lagged behind 4) I started the movement by turning my hips.

The next day I told everybody that I GOT IT. That night the swing vanished never to be found again, and like I said my swing today looks like the top of the page.

I can’t take it anymore.

Comment by Monty
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July 24th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

I hear ya Frustrated. I did the exact same thing one day at the range. I was raking driver and 3 wood almost 300 yards. The next day, the feeling was gone. This game is maddening but I love it.

 
 
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September 8th, 2009 at 6:58 am

For me hitting over the top is rotating the shoulders before the arms come down ie right shoulder forward and left back. I concentrate on rotaing the shoulders on the back swing with no backward slide of the hips. The downswing is started almost simultaneously by dropping the arms and sliding the hips slightly toward the target –not rotating the shoulders that comes later. Just two swing thoughts for me = rotate on the backswing with no hip glide at all. On the downswing pull down arms first right elbow tucked in and flow through the ball with a lateral hip glide toward the target. The rotation of the shoulders is an automatic following movement–no thought required!!

 
Comment by william
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December 2nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm

The most i important thing you must do to start the down swing is move the right elbow
down and slightly in front of the right hip. This externally rotates the upper arm
and loads the arms in a position where the right arm can internally rotate and hit with force from the inside. This move automatically places the club on a flatter plane so you dont hit from the outside. If you just drop the arms down without controlling the movement of the R elbow you just chop down on the ball or hit it fat.

Comment by Mike
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December 13th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

William,

I couldn’t agree more with you. This is a great tip.

Mike

 
 
Comment by Paul
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December 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

I have found that over the top is the right side getting active far to early in the swing, in desperation to hit the ball. One really good tip to keep the right side inactive as you start the down swing is keep your none target foot flat to the floor until after impact. Just try this with short wedge shots to get the feel and watch the difference.

good luck

Comment by Mike
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December 13th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

Paul,

Thanks for sharing your tips :grin: You’re welcome back anytime.

Mike

 
 
Comment by Jacques South Africa Subscribed to comments via email
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January 12th, 2010 at 7:48 am

Great tips , if you google this problem you only get one tip at a time. You put it all together. There is to much swing this way do this that way. We all need to go to gym rather and increase our core strenth and flexibilty. Then stand still, keep legs still, swing easy, little pause on top to get in the slot. Then swing this way and that way :grin: ….

thanks ..

 
Comment by Mike Stramba Subscribed to comments via email
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March 26th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

Golf instruction seems to be unique in that people try to consciously direct parts of their body in the swing (tuck your elbow, move your hips … etc etc).

Imagine if your child learned to talk before they learned to walk, and you verbally tried to teach them to walk ? :mrgreen:

“Shift your weight .. rotate your hips … keep your balance .. roll your ankles” …etc etc.

Practice swings without a ball, and with maybe a heavier than usual club, or a couple of clubs held at a time, without thought to what muscles are doing what, would probably benefit many golfers more than concentrating on specific body parts / muscles, etc.

Just getting a nice rythmical “circular” swing with centrifugal force, imprinted on your “muscle memory” would do a world of good.

All that said, I do have another “muscle tip” :mrgreen: :

It’s to think of swinging the “forearms” through the ball, so that hands’ and wrists are always trailing the motion until the final release at the ball, where the right arm / elbow straightens, and *then* momentarily after impact the right hand is “leading” the forearm .. but really only because of the centrifugal force /momentum of the motion.

Yet another “body part tip”, is one from Jack Nicklaus’ book, “Golf my Way”, where he talks about “rolling the ankles” .. i.e. generating the intial backswing and downswing motion with the feet … which connect to the legs .. hips .. upper body .. The opposite of what the typical “hacker” does when they lead with the hands, and the rest of the body … sometimes follows .. more than often the legs and feet remain “dead”. .. which forces / causes the OTT to occur as the lower body is “in the way”.

Mike

 
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March 29th, 2010 at 5:36 am

:idea: Played in our annual Club Champs and totally lost my swing. Were hitting low slices even shanks. After played social round were I tweaked a lot of things to fix the problem. Like swing more outside the line thinking I was getting stuck and really keeping my head behind the ball. Nothing really work till remembered a one plane tip. Staying connected or keeping the right elbow in your right side for most of the swing, hey presto. The more you connect the more you draw the ball till its starts hooking. I actually figured out that if I stay connected and try swing outside I hit the ball dead straight and far with hint of a draw. Or may be it was just another 1 day fluke, just try it….

 
Comment by Mike C
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May 17th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

My brother fixed my ott swing with one swing thought. Place a tee at a spot one inch forward and one inch outside of the ball. Imagine going through the ball and hitting the tee that is infront and outside of the ball. Unless you detach your arms from your body, you will never be able to actually hit the tee; it will be outside of the arc of the swing but trying to hit it will force you to correctly align the arc of the swing as the club head approaches the ball (inside out). As you contact the ball you will be at the outer most part of the arc of the swing and as you follow through you will finish the perfect “inside out” swing a la Fred Couples. It won’t take long before you can remove the tee and just picture an imaginary spot on the ground.

 
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May 23rd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

I have watched countless numbers of videos and believe I have a pretty good understanding of the fundamentals of the golf swing. I realize that the swing starts from the ground up. I have watched Ben Hogan’s swing a zillion times and tried to emulate it. I bought a slow motion camera and made 100′s of swings but to no avail…I’m OTT. My conclusion is that I have poor flexibility. Specifically, poor hip/shoulder separation. I tried a number of flexibility tests that revealed this. So no matter how much I tried to do the slight lateral move and then turning of the left hip, it dragged the right shoulder along with it. My OTT is ever so slight and can only be seen on video because I am OTT but parallel to the plane which produces either pulled shots or slight cuts. I’m almost there but need to work on strengthening my core, increasing hip strength and internal hip rotation so that I can get that wonderful rotation with separation that would never allow me to be OTT. If I can get flexible to the point where I can rotate like Tiger, McIlroy, and Fowller I will be in heaven.
Thx Milke for your blog and vids on youtube. They have helped tremendously. I will try a lot of the tips to see if I can get there but I see them as a temporary fix. If hip strength and flexibility is there I believe being over the top is a non issue for a golfer assuming they possess proper swing mechanics.

 
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May 31st, 2010 at 10:19 pm

I try to to hold my backswing at the top as I start the downswing. This almost guarantees a lower body move, LATERAL TURN, first and a drop into the slot. For me, holding the upper body back is much easier then trying to focus on moving the lower body first . I think of someone lightly holding my club head at the top as I start downswing. Try it , you’ll drop the downswing into the slot every time and stop from coming over the top. Remeber you do need to move the lower body laterally while turning the hips. HOLD AT THE TOP AND FIND THAT PERFECT LATERAL TURN OF THE LOWER BODY.

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June 9th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

Oh believe me I tried that. You are obviously more flexible than I am. The pause is really holding the upper body on pause and letting the lower body continue. In order to ensure that the over the top doesn’t occur, at the end of the back swing the back should face the target. Problem is I can’t turn my shoulder back too far and if I try I raise up to get back there which creates the “C” shape and being past parallel with the weight back on the left. At that point I’m already toast. Doesn’t matter if I hold, my body will compensate and force me to go over the top. A temporary fix is to shorten the swing and do what you mentioned.
It will create a flatter plane but is very effective. But believe me, lack of flexibility is the main culprit and those who want to cure OTT forever need to do some stretching especially if you’re as stiff as me. But if there is no time to exercise just shorten the swing and it will definitely help with the other tips.

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June 9th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

> In order to ensure that the over the top doesn’t occur, at the end of the back swing the back should face the target. Problem is I can’t turn my shoulder back too far

The distance your shoulders turn back (during the backswing) has nothing to do with coming over the top (during the downswing).

OTT is “simply” (not a simple thing when we over complicate it) improper sequencing on the downswing.

It’s easy to go OTT even on a 20-40 yard ptich shot, where the shoulders won’t be turning much, certainly not 90 degrees.

OTT occurs when the shoulders and body turn gets out of sync with the arm swing.

E.g. on the 20 yard ptich if on the downswing the shoulders / hips turn back towards the address position, (as they would during a normal downswing), but the arms are restrained from swinging down, then OTT occurs, and the swing path will be across the line.

That’s why practcing non-golf related throwing motions is benefcial, as most people will rarely go OTT when throwing a baseball, rolling a bowling ball, etc.

Mike

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June 10th, 2010 at 8:21 am

Mike,

I have seen countless videos of my swing and I can attest to the fact that not being able to get a good shoulder turn causes me to force my arms to raise further to get behind the ball and I get somewhat past parallel. As soon as this occurs, my shoulders fire first as a result of the coiling and resistance I created on the backswing. Trust me I know and seen it countless number of times.

Here is a video on youtube of what happens to golfers with poor range of motion and lack of flexibility without fail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXF1NkxAtI&

That will lead to OTT even when you consciously start from the ground up. My OTT mind you is very slight. I end up OTT but parallel to the swing plane which results in slight cuts or fade. I always been to be able to get the clubhead to get back underneath the plane at the very last minute which requires a lot of hand rotation, compensation, and adjustment. Not a recipe for consistency.

One thing I do to avoid this is to not take it too far back. As a matter of fact, my swing coach tells me he would be happy if I just took it halfway back and the lateral move would allow me to complete the backswing the natural way. Flexibility plays a huge role in achieving distance. So most amateurs tend to go too far back on the backswing. My point is once you go too far back, which the result of not being to turn shoulders back far enough or having a limited range of motion there, OTT will ensue.

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June 4th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

I agree with pausing at the top, it gives the lower body time to start pulling. I also use the left shoulder as a key and thought to keep from OTT swings. When all else fails I have to tell myself, 1. relax and slow down my take away, 2. keep my head over the ball, 3. key off my left shoulder (right handed). I have found Mikes conditioning CD beneficial to core strength and flexibility, I use my elastic exercise cord all the time (see Amazon.com). I also use an old broken 3 wood shaft with two drilled out golf balls attached to the end for an over-speed training club. Drill a hole in two balls, force them onto the end of the shaft, drill another small hole in the shaft and put a screw in it to keep the balls from flying off. This trains the body to swing faster than a regular club and will speed up your swing speed.

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June 5th, 2010 at 12:12 am

I own a second hand shop have a lot of shafts balls etc. I love gadgets and try make them all the time. Will make your speed stick now. :grin:

Here is two which worked well for me. I took an old stainless 3 wood. I’m 6 foot so if not up to that one take a 5 wood. I made a 1 wood, almost broke my wrists. Drill a hole in the bottom as big a possible. Dig out the foam with thin object. Pour hot lead in the hole. Caution :oops: dangerous. Fumes from foam melting and boiling lead so don’t hurt your self. I am not liable for any injuries. Come to think of it use sand and glue the hole instead. Weighted club for muscle building.

Second take a mirror shoulder width and ½ as wide. Draw line with a marker across the length. Make a small u out of glue to keep the ball in place in the middle. Watch how you move your head whiles putting and how of line your eyes are.

Or go buy it on the net.

 
 
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June 5th, 2010 at 5:31 am

I was down the range the other day trying to re gain a feel for the swing and remembered the feet together drill. This is great for curing the OTT swing as you can’t HIT with your upper body in the downsing as you will lose balance. Start with your feet and knees together and use a six iron hitting some balls off a tee at first then without as you gain confidence. Make three quarter swings and swing easy, trying to maintain your balance. Once you master this you will be pleasantly surprised how straight and far you can hit the ball. This drill gives you a real feel for the proper downswing , try to keep this feeling when you go back to your normal stance without over powering the swing. Give it a try, I am sure it will help.

 
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June 10th, 2010 at 12:19 am

Whiles making Jims 2ball stick I got carried away. And ended up with 3 balls the middle ball slides up down the shaft. Similar product is available on the net. I also fitted a light club head on the shaft. The only way to get the balls to clang together at the bottom of the swing is to make sure the right elbow swings down in to your side. And to keep the shaft parallel with the ground for as long as possible creating a late hit. Your hands have to be really soft and totally passive. This was the first time I felt the in the slot feeling. Also realized I was casting or starting the swing with my arms and hands not with a weight shift to the left and proper body turn. Good feeling hope it works on the range :lol:

 
Comment by Troy Vayanos
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July 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Great tips Mike,

This is something that I am working on at present. I like the sound of the first tip with dropping the hands first before the shoulders. It just makes a lot of sense.

Thanks for sharing

 
Comment by Merri
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August 4th, 2011 at 9:30 am

Thanks, this should definitely help my swing & game!

 
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August 4th, 2011 at 11:47 am

Hitting from the top is exactly that. Not only should the back swing be slow the FIRST THIRD of the downswing should be slow accelerating to reach maximum speed only as it approaches the ball. If you try and generate too much speed in that first third your shoulders and arms will automatically get ahead of the lower body. Swing thought—”Slow first third of the downswing “

 
Comment by Kath L
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August 19th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

I always thought this too until I realised that actually, you drop the right elbow into your side a split second before weight loading onto left leg. This move, while holding wrist cock, brings the club to a horozontal plane and then your rotating hips whip the club through the impact zone. That is a power move right there. Without a conscious thought of dropping the club you are likely to come over the top.

 
Comment by Mike
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August 20th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Good stuff Kath! Appreciate your input.

 
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November 9th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

I play to an 11 handicap in Scotland , on a good day I score 79/80/81 . I have played for 5 years . For the last 2 I have spent a lot of money on lessons . The most frustrating thing is knowing you are OOT , reading thousands of articles and tips , garnering a great understanding of what NOT to do , but , still being unable to get your muscles to change the way you swing down . I get away with being slightly OOT with irons , but with the big dog , I just fire that upper body through and over everytime and most of the time latley have been skying . I did have a brief moment of clarity , like one of the earlier posters . I did the feet together drill and felt like I was trying to hit little 100 yard hooks with the driver , made the ball hook ( not pull hook ) but actually start to the right and hook back . Then slowley worked it back up to a full swing , for about a week or so I had some sessions where I was nailing 280 yard draws with the driver and it just made “that” sound , the proper contact sound , not the weak , glancing blow sound . But , alas , I failed to “can” the feeling . It does feel so , so different when you have the correct sequence . This thread has been like AA for over the top swingers ! Lots of good sharing . Mike – my next range session with be the dropping of the arms at the top , I like the sound of the dropping and not actively pulling , like Nicklaus and Millers “Gravity” move . I will let you know how it goes .
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November 11th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

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December 4th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

I like what you are saying here . People go on and on about the lateral slide , hip bump whatever you want to call it . It doesn’t work just to think ” im going to bump my hips ” Like Mike Pederson posted earlier – if you do this and nothing else with an iron in your hand then … Shank City .
The club throwing idea makes you do it in sequence , all the moving parts that would be required to launch a javelin or shot putt are automatically employed , feet driving into the ground , then hanging back , then flicking or releasing . I tried all the over the top cures going , this theory is the best .

 
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